Friday, November 14, 2025

Time travel & geolocating during Jesus' Transfiguration

 Regarding Jesus mission in Two Realms, seen and unseen 

 

  The verses you asked about Wednesday night are found in Matthew 17:10-13

10๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜๐˜ช๐˜ฎ, “๐˜ž๐˜ฉ๐˜บ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ค๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜บ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜Œ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ซ๐˜ข๐˜ฉ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ต ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ง๐˜ช๐˜ณ๐˜ด๐˜ต?”

11๐˜‘๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ด ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ, “๐˜Œ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ซ๐˜ข๐˜ฉ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ, ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ด. 12๐˜‰๐˜ถ๐˜ต ๐˜ ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜Œ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ซ๐˜ข๐˜ฉ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ฅ๐˜บ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ, ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ช๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜จ๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ป๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฎ, ๐˜ฃ๐˜ถ๐˜ต ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฎ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ. ๐˜๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜บ, ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜š๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜”๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ง๐˜ง๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ช๐˜ณ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ๐˜ด.”

13๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ด๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ฌ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ ๐˜ข๐˜ฃ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ต ๐˜‘๐˜ฐ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜‰๐˜ข๐˜ฑ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ต.

 

  It was originally prophesied in Malachi 4:5&6, which probably has a double fulfillment (the spirit of Elijah will/may be a forerunner for both the first and second coming of Jesus).

 The gospel of Mark references this, but with less detail, 9:12&13.

 Luke 1:17 talks about Malachi's prophecy from a spiritual, rather than physical point-of-view.

 

  And somewhat related, after 'Palm Sunday' but before His arrest, Jesus was preaching one of his final messages in the Temple courtyard when the chief priests and elders challenged his authority to do that. (They were likely looking for a way to arrest him right then on the spot and save the 30 pieces of silver) Jesus answers them with a question His accusers cannot answer, but the reader can determine that the answer is: Both! This is another instance when the spirit/heaven parallels the physical/earth.  This is found in Matthew 21:23-27, Mark 11:27-33, and Luke 20:1–8.

 

  The point we hope came across during the devotion was that both spiritual and physical were aligned when (time) and where (space) Jesus made His confrontational declaration, "On this rock I will build MY church..."  (taking authority back)

  The gates of hell will not prevail against her, His bride.

 

More Notes Added 

How could we possibly know what the Spirit realm is like?

Paul tells us we can presently see a hazy outline of it. At the time he was writing, mirrors were polished metal; his analogy was that we have a reflection here of what the spirit realm is (1 Corinthians 13:12). We can know, at least in part, because God created us in His own image (Genesis 1:27). There is similarity. The concept is repeated in Ephesians 4.  Even though we cannot know it completely; we can know in part because we are God-imagers; we were damaged by rebellions, but the potential for restoration/reconciliation still allows a limited view.

The Bible never says that the Earth is a copy of what God has in heaven. Where did you get that?

That's not completely true. Hebrews 8:5 tells us that the plan for the Tabernacle is a copy of Heaven's Temple AND that the duties/service performed by the priests were a typical representation and a shadow of the heavenly things. When they were on Mt. Sinai God commanded Moses, "See that you make all things after their pattern." The heavenly sanctuary is the archetype, the earthly one a copy. There's definitely a pattern being copied as regards the temple, plus, all the festivals and feast days were Earth-provisory shadows of God's Spiritual plan for redeeming mankind, Colossians 2:17, and there are also many other examples where Earth copies Heaven. Spread throughout the Bible, one could construct a lengthy list of similarities:  from musical instruments, to gardens, to horses, to rivers and trees, to streets and houses….

Two assignments/instructions that Jesus gave his disciples show a close connection between Heaven and Earth—that God's intent is to have them reflect each other. They were to pray "On Earth as it is in Heaven" Matt 6:10, and "whatever you may bind on earth will already be bound in the heavens, and whatever you may loosen on earth will already be loosened in the heavens," Matt 16:19.

More patterns and copies? The marriage covenant is an earthly picture of the heavenly reality of God’s relationship with his people. 

Of course there are differences, (a) Heaven worships One God while on Earth there are "many “gods” and many “lords” 1 Cor 8:5.  And (b) some Roles in the Spirit Realm are carried out only on Earth. For example, Exodus 15:3 "The Lord is a mighty warrior. Jehovah is his name," and Zephaniah 3:17 "The LORD your God is with you, the Mighty Warrior who saves." This spiritual warfare is carried out on Earth, because that is where the enemy of God is. But the similarities are great: Earth is to reflect God's Glory.  

 

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